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Just left a large mutual fund company that will go un-named where all of management were ISTJ and most of the worker bees as well. Needless to say, i wanted to slit my wrists working there, so when out of the blue I was offered a job as a designer at a small software company with tons of freedom, I was overjoyed.
Ever been an ENTP in such an oppressive environment and did you break free? How did it go?
Ever been an ENTP in such an oppressive environment and did you break free? How did it go?
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Re: Working in an ISTJ world
Wed, June 1, 2005 - 10:28 AMI can only work or myself... learned that when I was 20.
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Re: Working in an ISTJ world
Fri, June 24, 2005 - 4:21 PMthis wont necessarily help you, but i've never worked in an ISTJ world... ever. I work in a purely NT world - the tech industry. There is enough jobs that arent highly technical in the tech industry that even non-CS people can join up. Nearly everyone I work with is NT, and the managers understand that controlling the creative/thinker types isn't beneficial.
It doesn't answer your question, but it might help you choose your next job. -
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Re: Working in an ISTJ world
Mon, June 27, 2005 - 5:55 AMAs I mentioned, I am now at a small software company and love it, so I agree with your assessment. All of my employees on my team are NT like me. (I sometimes have to search for an ISTJ to make sure we've done all of our homework!) I think there are certain industries, like financial services, where ISTJ may be the norm, and that size of the company may not have any bearing. (I would imagine that Microsoft, Dell, etc. consist of mostly ENTPs.)
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Re: Working in an ISTJ world
Fri, July 1, 2005 - 12:57 AMMy experience of the tech industry is the opposite: it is in thrall to the idea of "process". Middle managers believe that following the correct procedures alone will produce a good product, and they feel insecure without detailed plans. Creativity is considered to be a bit of a handicap, as it distracts the human resources from following the rules. -
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Re: Working in an ISTJ world
Sat, July 9, 2005 - 11:40 AMIn technology, the desire to have this kind of control is perceived as a manner of obtaining certainty, but this doesn't help.
I think that the proof is in the pudding - the use of "advanced" methologies has not resulted in any less failed projects.
At my job though, we don't have these kinds of middle managers. My company still thinks we're a start up, so we're very focused on making stuff go. Many companies seem to lose focus and thus the process becomes the focus. A similar problem in other large companies happen - the focus becomes the bureaucracy rather than the real goal, whatever it might be. -
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Re: Working in an ISTJ world
Wed, August 3, 2005 - 3:29 PMHi Ryan. You are right about the failure of advanced methodologies. Interestingly, our company has suddenly become aware of this, and is now looking seriously into "agile" methodologies, which fit in perfectly with the way I have always instinctively done things. Needless to say there have been howls of protest from many of the project managers. -
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Re: Working in an ISTJ world
Mon, August 8, 2005 - 4:05 PMAgile is cool. As an ENTP and a project manager I was very torn and "Cybil like" in my acceptance, but my need for order, but need for indepence can be met in an Agile-like process.
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Re: Working in an ISTJ world
Fri, March 23, 2007 - 8:07 AMlol i find that hard to believe considering ISTJs make up only 2-5% of the world...
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Re: Working in an ISTJ world
Fri, March 30, 2007 - 1:10 PMWhat percentage of the world is ESFJ? Because they make up about 90% of my department and probably 75% of the organization....but I guess that's to be expected when you work in education.
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